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	<title>Comments on: The Geek, Restraining Orders, and Theories of Privacy</title>
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		<title>By: Chris@Hillsborough County Restraining Order Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.christopher-parsons.com/blog/technology/the-geek-restraining-orders-and-theories-of-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-5020</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris@Hillsborough County Restraining Order Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IP Masking will make a cyber restraining order impossible to enforce. And even IF your IP address was recorded for visiting a blog or website your were restrained from, there is no way to actually Prove it was you doing it. All it takes for a defense from this type of restraining order is the fact others live with you, and have access to your computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IP Masking will make a cyber restraining order impossible to enforce. And even IF your IP address was recorded for visiting a blog or website your were restrained from, there is no way to actually Prove it was you doing it. All it takes for a defense from this type of restraining order is the fact others live with you, and have access to your computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.christopher-parsons.com/blog/technology/the-geek-restraining-orders-and-theories-of-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-2781</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 23:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that in the case of Solove, you&#039;re if you&#039;re intentionally engaging in some sort of surveillance (e.g. reading my clearly personal blog) then you&#039;d be &#039;guilty&#039; of breaching the order. Nissembaum, however, does require that &#039;tech savvy geek&#039;. While both might register a violation where you were to comment, only Solove would identify some kind of privacy breach regardless of commenting.

I like the idea of the radio call-in; I would tend to agree that you would unlikely be in breach per the law, and per norms because one cannot reasonably expect all (or even many) listeners to know who will be on the show. The same where one was presenting oneself and the person with the order accidentally or randomly came across one. Where there is intent to engage with whomever you have the order, then I would agree that you&#039;re likely crossing the line. I guess I&#039;m seeing &#039;engaging&#039; (through this thinkers) as the act of intentionally surveying/cyber-stalking the person whom you are prevented from coming near.

I&#039;m not aware of any case law around this, but I&#039;m also definitely not a lawyer - I&#039;m trying to puzzle out where I think this ought to fall, on the conditions of normativity, and then put it aside for later research that will certainly entail looking at present case law (or asking colleagues who are familiar with this area of the law to guide me *grin*)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that in the case of Solove, you&#8217;re if you&#8217;re intentionally engaging in some sort of surveillance (e.g. reading my clearly personal blog) then you&#8217;d be &#8216;guilty&#8217; of breaching the order. Nissembaum, however, does require that &#8216;tech savvy geek&#8217;. While both might register a violation where you were to comment, only Solove would identify some kind of privacy breach regardless of commenting.</p>
<p>I like the idea of the radio call-in; I would tend to agree that you would unlikely be in breach per the law, and per norms because one cannot reasonably expect all (or even many) listeners to know who will be on the show. The same where one was presenting oneself and the person with the order accidentally or randomly came across one. Where there is intent to engage with whomever you have the order, then I would agree that you&#8217;re likely crossing the line. I guess I&#8217;m seeing &#8216;engaging&#8217; (through this thinkers) as the act of intentionally surveying/cyber-stalking the person whom you are prevented from coming near.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not aware of any case law around this, but I&#8217;m also definitely not a lawyer &#8211; I&#8217;m trying to puzzle out where I think this ought to fall, on the conditions of normativity, and then put it aside for later research that will certainly entail looking at present case law (or asking colleagues who are familiar with this area of the law to guide me *grin*)</p>
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		<title>By: Catelli</title>
		<link>http://www.christopher-parsons.com/blog/technology/the-geek-restraining-orders-and-theories-of-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-2776</link>
		<dc:creator>Catelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 01:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the distinction may be between the active and the passive.  Say yo had a restraining order against me.  I read your blog, but go no further.

But then I comment.  And you know its me (either through deduction or by my declaration).  Because I have engaged you directly, I may be violating the terms or the intent of the order.   

Take a radio call-in show for the closest example.  You are a guest, not even the &quot;famous&quot; host.  I listen to the show, but I doubt that would violate the terms.

But if I call in to question you the guest, I am likely crossing the line.

...

It could be argued that your blog, or Facebook page, or whatever, is akin to your home.  Even though the street is public, I can be prevented from traversing that public thoroughfare.  But all other people are free to visit when they wish (including annoying door-to-door salesmen, but I digress).  But I think the parallels to other forms of media (could I not buy a book you published?) are more relevant.  I wonder if there&#039;s any case law on the books already as a guide?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the distinction may be between the active and the passive.  Say yo had a restraining order against me.  I read your blog, but go no further.</p>
<p>But then I comment.  And you know its me (either through deduction or by my declaration).  Because I have engaged you directly, I may be violating the terms or the intent of the order.   </p>
<p>Take a radio call-in show for the closest example.  You are a guest, not even the &#8220;famous&#8221; host.  I listen to the show, but I doubt that would violate the terms.</p>
<p>But if I call in to question you the guest, I am likely crossing the line.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>It could be argued that your blog, or Facebook page, or whatever, is akin to your home.  Even though the street is public, I can be prevented from traversing that public thoroughfare.  But all other people are free to visit when they wish (including annoying door-to-door salesmen, but I digress).  But I think the parallels to other forms of media (could I not buy a book you published?) are more relevant.  I wonder if there&#8217;s any case law on the books already as a guide?</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.christopher-parsons.com/blog/technology/the-geek-restraining-orders-and-theories-of-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-2772</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good questions (as usual). 

I guess that I am thinking of &#039;personal&#039; rather than &#039;business&#039; websites - I&#039;m perhaps incorrectly seeing a difference from where a person blogs about their life and their professional obligations as a talk show host (e.g. Oprah). With this, perhaps not helpful distinction, I see that &#039;stalking&#039; and &#039;following&#039; someone has moved beyond just a physical pursuit and entered a digital space; when I put myself into the &#039;physical&#039; public sphere, the restraining order is meant to prevent someone from intruding on me in that space. Where they accidentally violate the sphere of protection, they are typically obligated to remove themselves. Why shouldn&#039;t a similar process be expected online; if you know that I blog personal information at a particular location then you are expected to avoid touching on that space, as you would being around someone in a physical domain.

I guess that I&#039;m not seeing a need for &#039;greater protection&#039; online than in the physical world but actually see there being a similarity in degrees of privacy being accorded. At the same time, I feel that I&#039;m doing something snakey in my argument, and that I&#039;m not fully detecting just yet. I think that Nissembaum&#039;s argument can be transposed to physical spaces, with similar conclusion, as can Solove&#039;s - neither necessarily would offer &#039;stronger&#039; protections online than in a physical space, at least as I&#039;m reading them right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good questions (as usual). </p>
<p>I guess that I am thinking of &#8216;personal&#8217; rather than &#8216;business&#8217; websites &#8211; I&#8217;m perhaps incorrectly seeing a difference from where a person blogs about their life and their professional obligations as a talk show host (e.g. Oprah). With this, perhaps not helpful distinction, I see that &#8216;stalking&#8217; and &#8216;following&#8217; someone has moved beyond just a physical pursuit and entered a digital space; when I put myself into the &#8216;physical&#8217; public sphere, the restraining order is meant to prevent someone from intruding on me in that space. Where they accidentally violate the sphere of protection, they are typically obligated to remove themselves. Why shouldn&#8217;t a similar process be expected online; if you know that I blog personal information at a particular location then you are expected to avoid touching on that space, as you would being around someone in a physical domain.</p>
<p>I guess that I&#8217;m not seeing a need for &#8216;greater protection&#8217; online than in the physical world but actually see there being a similarity in degrees of privacy being accorded. At the same time, I feel that I&#8217;m doing something snakey in my argument, and that I&#8217;m not fully detecting just yet. I think that Nissembaum&#8217;s argument can be transposed to physical spaces, with similar conclusion, as can Solove&#8217;s &#8211; neither necessarily would offer &#8216;stronger&#8217; protections online than in a physical space, at least as I&#8217;m reading them right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Catelli</title>
		<link>http://www.christopher-parsons.com/blog/technology/the-geek-restraining-orders-and-theories-of-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-2770</link>
		<dc:creator>Catelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is visiting a website different than watching the subject on television, or listening to them on the radio?

When putting yourself in the public sphere, why does one medium need greater privacy than another?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is visiting a website different than watching the subject on television, or listening to them on the radio?</p>
<p>When putting yourself in the public sphere, why does one medium need greater privacy than another?</p>
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