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	<title>Comments on: APIs, End-Users, and the Privacy Commons</title>
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		<title>By: All your data are belong to us &#171; Mike Pearson</title>
		<link>http://www.christopher-parsons.com/blog/privacy/apis-end-users-and-the-privacy-commons/comment-page-1/#comment-4292</link>
		<dc:creator>All your data are belong to us &#171; Mike Pearson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] new idea.  I&#8217;m pleased to see the idea of a Privacy Commons  emerged again this year, with Mozilla taking an interest.  We have some local expertise with Robert O&#8217;Brien from Tauranga being [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] new idea.  I&#8217;m pleased to see the idea of a Privacy Commons  emerged again this year, with Mozilla taking an interest.  We have some local expertise with Robert O&#8217;Brien from Tauranga being [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MikePearsonNZ</title>
		<link>http://www.christopher-parsons.com/blog/privacy/apis-end-users-and-the-privacy-commons/comment-page-1/#comment-4291</link>
		<dc:creator>MikePearsonNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several years ago, I spoke with Lawrence Lessig about a Privacy Commons framework to be built using the Creative Commons framework. He thought it was doable, but they needed $$ for developing and running it.

The advantage in using the CC infrastructure, is that it is globally recognised and all the processes / committees are established to implement in each country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several years ago, I spoke with Lawrence Lessig about a Privacy Commons framework to be built using the Creative Commons framework. He thought it was doable, but they needed $$ for developing and running it.</p>
<p>The advantage in using the CC infrastructure, is that it is globally recognised and all the processes / committees are established to implement in each country.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.christopher-parsons.com/blog/privacy/apis-end-users-and-the-privacy-commons/comment-page-1/#comment-3429</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-3428&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Scott Leslie &lt;/a&gt; 

Interesting - I hadn&#039;t thought of the &#039;vote&#039; system. Ideally, what I&#039;m imagining would perhaps be:

(1) visual, on-site, representation of the privacy position, denoted by icons;
(2) coded instructions that &#039;tell&#039; the browser about the site&#039;s privacy position - this would be used by browsers and plugins to mashup data/display it in different formats/enable &#039;privacy settings&#039;, where an individual might not go to sites with particular privacy positions or at least be warned;
(3) where a site lacks information, have the option of somehow notifying the site about the commons, and invite them to join

Adding (4) a way of reflecting public concerns is interesting, but I get a little worried about it because it could project the perceptions of privacy on top of companies who may actually have decent privacy provisions or vice versa. Example: Nokia-Siemens is falsely accused to selling DPI equipment to Iran for censorship, and so in reaction hosts of people &#039;vote down&#039; N-S&#039; privacy position on the basis of that false information. Alternately, people &#039;vote up&#039; Google&#039;s privacy position, even though they&#039;re well known to have poor protections in place (e.g. masking the last octet of search results). 

Would you say that your critique of the commons would also extend to the creative commons?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-3428" rel="nofollow">@Scott Leslie </a> </p>
<p>Interesting &#8211; I hadn&#8217;t thought of the &#8216;vote&#8217; system. Ideally, what I&#8217;m imagining would perhaps be:</p>
<p>(1) visual, on-site, representation of the privacy position, denoted by icons;<br />
(2) coded instructions that &#8216;tell&#8217; the browser about the site&#8217;s privacy position &#8211; this would be used by browsers and plugins to mashup data/display it in different formats/enable &#8216;privacy settings&#8217;, where an individual might not go to sites with particular privacy positions or at least be warned;<br />
(3) where a site lacks information, have the option of somehow notifying the site about the commons, and invite them to join</p>
<p>Adding (4) a way of reflecting public concerns is interesting, but I get a little worried about it because it could project the perceptions of privacy on top of companies who may actually have decent privacy provisions or vice versa. Example: Nokia-Siemens is falsely accused to selling DPI equipment to Iran for censorship, and so in reaction hosts of people &#8216;vote down&#8217; N-S&#8217; privacy position on the basis of that false information. Alternately, people &#8216;vote up&#8217; Google&#8217;s privacy position, even though they&#8217;re well known to have poor protections in place (e.g. masking the last octet of search results). </p>
<p>Would you say that your critique of the commons would also extend to the creative commons?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.christopher-parsons.com/blog/privacy/apis-end-users-and-the-privacy-commons/comment-page-1/#comment-3428</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Chris, really useful for laying out the land on this. Makes me wonder, though, about the general wisdom of taking a machine-readable/API/automated style approach to this, given the real concerns about diversity and sustainability, and whether another approach might be simply a browser plugin that polled from a community site that held submissions on privacy concerns from anyone (both &quot;vetted&quot; experts and regular users, with some &#039;voting&#039; mechanism like is common on other sites so that strong posts/concerns rise to the top). That would strike me as a *real* Privacy Commons, one that not only was common in extending across sites, but reflected not only the legal concerns but the public&#039;s concerns as well (e.g. it is entirely possible for a site to follow the letter of the law and yet be built in such a way that people commit privacy *errors*, say like how very few can actually figure out the subtleties of Facebook&#039;s nefarious privacy settings). Just a thought, in any case something is hopefully going to turn out to be better than the nothing we currently have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Chris, really useful for laying out the land on this. Makes me wonder, though, about the general wisdom of taking a machine-readable/API/automated style approach to this, given the real concerns about diversity and sustainability, and whether another approach might be simply a browser plugin that polled from a community site that held submissions on privacy concerns from anyone (both &#8220;vetted&#8221; experts and regular users, with some &#8216;voting&#8217; mechanism like is common on other sites so that strong posts/concerns rise to the top). That would strike me as a *real* Privacy Commons, one that not only was common in extending across sites, but reflected not only the legal concerns but the public&#8217;s concerns as well (e.g. it is entirely possible for a site to follow the letter of the law and yet be built in such a way that people commit privacy *errors*, say like how very few can actually figure out the subtleties of Facebook&#8217;s nefarious privacy settings). Just a thought, in any case something is hopefully going to turn out to be better than the nothing we currently have.</p>
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