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		<title>By: Getting around deep packet filters? - Why We Protest - IRAN</title>
		<link>http://www.christopher-parsons.com/blog/politics/iran-traffic-analysis-and-deep-packet-inspection/comment-page-1/#comment-1393</link>
		<dc:creator>Getting around deep packet filters? - Why We Protest - IRAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] story from the WSJ is on the technical capabilities of the DPI devices that are deployed    See:  Iran, Traffic Analysis, and Deep Packet Inspection Telecoms Helped Iran Spy On the Net; Same Technology Used Here Iran Likes DPI Too Wikipedia: Deep [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] story from the WSJ is on the technical capabilities of the DPI devices that are deployed    See:  Iran, Traffic Analysis, and Deep Packet Inspection Telecoms Helped Iran Spy On the Net; Same Technology Used Here Iran Likes DPI Too Wikipedia: Deep [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.christopher-parsons.com/blog/politics/iran-traffic-analysis-and-deep-packet-inspection/comment-page-1/#comment-1387</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ David,

I have my own concerns about DPI, but for all those concerns it really bothers me when poor fact checking from a major paper leads to hysterics about non-issues about this technology. I think that it&#039;s blatant inaccuracies like this that has, in part, led to many DPI vendors and ISPs going to ground and not wanting to talk about this issue with the public, on the basis of the often poor information the public actually has on the tech. Thanks for the visit and comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ David,</p>
<p>I have my own concerns about DPI, but for all those concerns it really bothers me when poor fact checking from a major paper leads to hysterics about non-issues about this technology. I think that it&#8217;s blatant inaccuracies like this that has, in part, led to many DPI vendors and ISPs going to ground and not wanting to talk about this issue with the public, on the basis of the often poor information the public actually has on the tech. Thanks for the visit and comment!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.christopher-parsons.com/blog/politics/iran-traffic-analysis-and-deep-packet-inspection/comment-page-1/#comment-1386</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, 
Thanks for your comment on my post on the same topic and for directing me here. I absolutely agree with the stance that you took in your post. The notion that DPI can intercept all Internet traffic at a single choke point, inspect it all for content (rather than application, source, destination, usage parameters, etc), and then choose to selectively block or allow, all in a real-time fashion, is simply absurd. Even the vendors in the space, who love to pump up the technology&#039;s capabilities, would balk at that statement. And that&#039;s leaving aside the fact that NSN was not selling DPI, but rather commonly accepted Lawful Intercept equipment for voice traffic, which is mandated by regulatory bodies in both the US and EU.

My sense is that the WSJ caught wind that Iran was doing some level of surveillance on the Internet communications that have garnered so much publicity as of late, and took that supposition to the nth degree without doing the necessary due diligence on the technology. It may seem like semantics, but the reality is that mistakes like this from someone with a large bullhorn such as the Wall Street Journal can create widespread misconceptions, cost companies money and cost people jobs.

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,<br />
Thanks for your comment on my post on the same topic and for directing me here. I absolutely agree with the stance that you took in your post. The notion that DPI can intercept all Internet traffic at a single choke point, inspect it all for content (rather than application, source, destination, usage parameters, etc), and then choose to selectively block or allow, all in a real-time fashion, is simply absurd. Even the vendors in the space, who love to pump up the technology&#8217;s capabilities, would balk at that statement. And that&#8217;s leaving aside the fact that NSN was not selling DPI, but rather commonly accepted Lawful Intercept equipment for voice traffic, which is mandated by regulatory bodies in both the US and EU.</p>
<p>My sense is that the WSJ caught wind that Iran was doing some level of surveillance on the Internet communications that have garnered so much publicity as of late, and took that supposition to the nth degree without doing the necessary due diligence on the technology. It may seem like semantics, but the reality is that mistakes like this from someone with a large bullhorn such as the Wall Street Journal can create widespread misconceptions, cost companies money and cost people jobs.</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: Catelli</title>
		<link>http://www.christopher-parsons.com/blog/politics/iran-traffic-analysis-and-deep-packet-inspection/comment-page-1/#comment-1384</link>
		<dc:creator>Catelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No there is no test you can do.  You&#039;d have to get a special forces team to crash the network ops centre and kidnap some IT gurus and subject them to questioning.

From the outside there is no way to know if a data stream has been inspected or not.  As no data changes, the surveillance is completely passive.

Even active shaping or blocking devices are hard to detect.  On my network I have almost a dozen such devices, and when a particular network traffic type is dropped it even takes me a while to figure out which device did it, or even if it is one of my devices.  Sometimes a service is just unavailable due to some other outage.  And this is for a network I designed and manage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No there is no test you can do.  You&#8217;d have to get a special forces team to crash the network ops centre and kidnap some IT gurus and subject them to questioning.</p>
<p>From the outside there is no way to know if a data stream has been inspected or not.  As no data changes, the surveillance is completely passive.</p>
<p>Even active shaping or blocking devices are hard to detect.  On my network I have almost a dozen such devices, and when a particular network traffic type is dropped it even takes me a while to figure out which device did it, or even if it is one of my devices.  Sometimes a service is just unavailable due to some other outage.  And this is for a network I designed and manage.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.christopher-parsons.com/blog/politics/iran-traffic-analysis-and-deep-packet-inspection/comment-page-1/#comment-1383</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment Catelli. 

A question: is there actually some &#039;test&#039; that can be done to see if content analysis is going on, beyond just realizing that a lot of stuff is being filtered or something like that? I&#039;m unfamiliar with a technique that would definitively prove that such analysis was going on. I can&#039;t see how there is a direct and/or necessary correlation between not being able to access particular websites, and DPI being used for packet analysis techniques.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Catelli. </p>
<p>A question: is there actually some &#8216;test&#8217; that can be done to see if content analysis is going on, beyond just realizing that a lot of stuff is being filtered or something like that? I&#8217;m unfamiliar with a technique that would definitively prove that such analysis was going on. I can&#8217;t see how there is a direct and/or necessary correlation between not being able to access particular websites, and DPI being used for packet analysis techniques.</p>
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		<title>By: Catelli</title>
		<link>http://www.christopher-parsons.com/blog/politics/iran-traffic-analysis-and-deep-packet-inspection/comment-page-1/#comment-1382</link>
		<dc:creator>Catelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, you are correct.  This line is bull: &lt;i&gt;“[e]very digitized packet of online data is deconstructed, examined for keywords and reconstructed within milliseconds.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

There is no deconstruction that takes place.  There is no opening, it is not a file.  They are data packets.

Again, DPI devices don&#039;t have the storage capability to do deep analysis of keyword content.  As you point out, its much more effective to dump to another device.  And Nokia (or &quot;Western&quot;) devices are not necessary for this.  There&#039;s no betrayal of Western ideals in selling this technology.  The Open Source community has provided tools that can analyze data dumps for years now.  You don&#039;t even have to pay to do this, you just need a few really smart network engineers.

This is another case of hyperventilating about DPI.  As I keep harping on, there&#039;s nothing deep, (or magical), or new about DPI.   Packets are transmitted in the clear and they are open to inspection at any time.  We really need to start harping on that point, as everyone needs to be educated on that.   

The article does not mention that SSL encryption would be sufficient to avoid content filtering.  The WSJ is hysterically spreading ignorance and that is a massive disservice to their readers and to the technology community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, you are correct.  This line is bull: <i>“[e]very digitized packet of online data is deconstructed, examined for keywords and reconstructed within milliseconds.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>There is no deconstruction that takes place.  There is no opening, it is not a file.  They are data packets.</p>
<p>Again, DPI devices don&#8217;t have the storage capability to do deep analysis of keyword content.  As you point out, its much more effective to dump to another device.  And Nokia (or &#8220;Western&#8221;) devices are not necessary for this.  There&#8217;s no betrayal of Western ideals in selling this technology.  The Open Source community has provided tools that can analyze data dumps for years now.  You don&#8217;t even have to pay to do this, you just need a few really smart network engineers.</p>
<p>This is another case of hyperventilating about DPI.  As I keep harping on, there&#8217;s nothing deep, (or magical), or new about DPI.   Packets are transmitted in the clear and they are open to inspection at any time.  We really need to start harping on that point, as everyone needs to be educated on that.   </p>
<p>The article does not mention that SSL encryption would be sufficient to avoid content filtering.  The WSJ is hysterically spreading ignorance and that is a massive disservice to their readers and to the technology community.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmadinejad 'wins' again - Page 48 - Politics.ie</title>
		<link>http://www.christopher-parsons.com/blog/politics/iran-traffic-analysis-and-deep-packet-inspection/comment-page-1/#comment-1381</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahmadinejad 'wins' again - Page 48 - Politics.ie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.christopher-parsons.com/blog/politics/iran-traffic-analysis-and-deep-packet-inspection/comment-page-1/#comment-1380</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Tim
True, but it appears as though Nokia-Siemens deployed systems that were good for voice. On good faith I take them to be telling the truth in that their systems are not meant to be hacked to allow for the massive surveillance and intrusion that the WSJ is claiming is going on using DPI appliances, at least until other reports suggest otherwise. I would certainly agree that the Iranian government appears to be using their technological prowess to the best of their ability, and it seems to be reasonably successful, the amount of information emerging from the country notwithstanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Tim<br />
True, but it appears as though Nokia-Siemens deployed systems that were good for voice. On good faith I take them to be telling the truth in that their systems are not meant to be hacked to allow for the massive surveillance and intrusion that the WSJ is claiming is going on using DPI appliances, at least until other reports suggest otherwise. I would certainly agree that the Iranian government appears to be using their technological prowess to the best of their ability, and it seems to be reasonably successful, the amount of information emerging from the country notwithstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.christopher-parsons.com/blog/politics/iran-traffic-analysis-and-deep-packet-inspection/comment-page-1/#comment-1379</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depending on the country you find yourself in, &quot;Lawful Intercept&quot; does have a somewhat different meaning and consequence 

Whatever communications interception and monitoring capability the Iran regime has at present, you cam be sure that they using it to the fullest extent they are able.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depending on the country you find yourself in, &#8220;Lawful Intercept&#8221; does have a somewhat different meaning and consequence </p>
<p>Whatever communications interception and monitoring capability the Iran regime has at present, you cam be sure that they using it to the fullest extent they are able.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://www.christopher-parsons.com/blog/politics/iran-traffic-analysis-and-deep-packet-inspection/comment-page-1/#comment-1378</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 04:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that link! It hadn&#039;t come through my filters yet, and is key to dispelling the nonsense that Nokia is the new devil. Glad you enjoyed the post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that link! It hadn&#8217;t come through my filters yet, and is key to dispelling the nonsense that Nokia is the new devil. Glad you enjoyed the post!</p>
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